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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Best and the Worst of the Grateful Dead

Good luck with it. As alluded to above, I think there are two components to be identified: "health" degradation and "drug use"...clearly connected, but consider the obvious: playing as much as he did (not just the DEAD, but include all the solo efforts so to speak) with his smoking (drug, I know) and junk food habits, etc., and you would have dramatic physical changes. This is why I am drawn to the early years. He looses his voice post 71 (can still be good, at times) as much do to those changes as anything associated with hard drugs. Now, if he had been a health nut then the hard drugs may have affected playing, concentration, etc., but in a different way.

So, between those two perspectives (again they are connected I realize), I would argue that 30 yrs of hard living with poor health habits had more impact than straight up hard drug use.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 24, 2008 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Best and the Worst of the Grateful Dead

can someone pinpoint for me when and where Bird's playing went bad due to heroin? Because apparently many junky jazz musicians got hooked trying to get Charlie Parker's sound and thinking heroin was the route there....

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Poster: BillyBuck Date: Mar 24, 2008 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Best and the Worst of the Grateful Dead

Look for the version of "Lover Man" from the Dial sessions. I think there were two takes. The version you want is the unreleased one.

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Poster: veblen Date: Mar 24, 2008 1:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Best and the Worst of the Grateful Dead

I should know more about the overall impact of the drug on parker, since he is someone that I have listened to with admiration and amazement from an early age. I guess like with many artists, I prefer to let the art speak for itself and not get lost in the artist's personal lives, thoughts, politics, etc., etc.. And with parker, the art certainly does some speaking...

Anyway, the addiction stems from early heavy morphine use due to an auto accident that just grew worse through-out his life with a re-hab here and a re-hab there. With Parker there where up's and down's through-out his career due to the impacts of heroin: using it; obtaining it; and drinking due to not having any.

Even though there has long been a connection between jazz and narcotics much of the idea of heroin driven jazz comes from parker stories such as the one where he falls into the orchestra pit during a mother-of-all be-bop solos only to finish the solo on his back. Diz looked down and when he finished asked him if he was ok, only to hear: "I guess I did a little too much diz..."

Though I myself prefer the more positive story where philly jo jones threw a cymbol at parker because of his slow/poor play only to be so humiliated that he went on to practice up to 15-hours daily for the next 3-years.

I wonder if it would have been different if parker was provided a daily fix like ravel was provided his daily bottle of wine during a prohibition era tour of the usa?

Now your question has me thinking about the impact of heroin on the flow of his career.

damn, now the pm must be spent with the charle parker quintet (diz, bird and miles...)!!!

This post was modified by veblen on 2008-03-24 20:42:38

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 24, 2008 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Best and the Worst of the Grateful Dead

not a bad way to spend the pm - let this get you started:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kl6MjOHT8oI